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I'm no elder, but I see it as proof that even androids and humans can't always tell which is which, proving that there's no legitimate difference (except ofc the physical capabilities and such, but even those are hard to notice if you don't know, as we can see with them)

You could put a human and an android in a room and if they're both behaving politely around eachother (and if they can't bring up android related questions), neither of them would know *for sure* whether the other is android or human (also given that the android has deviated and stuff cause if not then ofc that'd be very noticeable)

I think that even though there are of course certain giveaway points that would make it easier to guess which one's which, this case just proves that you don't always know. Even amongst your own kind you can't always recognize everyone as such here, for example because you assumed they weren't; I think this goes to show that whether her daughter was an android or a human didn't matter at all to her, she saw a child in need and decided to take care of her and that fact doesn't change when she finds out Alice is an android either, sure she's surprised but that doesn't make much of a difference in how she sees her

Hi guys :)

I wanted to ask elders of dbh fandom some questions about Kara's storyline, because right now i am watching the let's play and i just got to the moment when they reveal that Alice is an android.

I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DID IT? Like, genuinely, i need someone to explain

When i thought earlier about Kara's storyline, i thought about love. About the unconditional love between android and human, about family love (i guees you can also see it in Markus's line but it s really short). And now it all ruined? Now it just "yeah, android can love an android".

No. I dont like it so much. We already see android love: tracy². They are androids, they love eachother. Isn't it an example?

And yeah, i can think about family love between android and android but stiiilllllll.....

I JUST FOUND OUT THAT SONGS FROM THE DBH SOUNDTRACK PLAY IN THE BACKGROUND HERE?? Look, I know it makes sense lmao but I’ve been listening to these songs with vocals and lyrics and all that from the sound track on Spotify and was only mildly wondering how those were even integrated into the game, so when I was kinda watching this video I recognized a certain part of the song in the background over those mall speakers and was like “Wait, is this Seven Moons??” And it IS Seven Moons from the soundtrack🦫🦫

I’m curious how the other songs got integrated into the game now👀👀 Like do they also play in the background at grocery stores or malls or bars or anything like that? Is one of them what Connor finds on Hank’s mp3? What’s the other context, I can’t wait to find out while playing👀🦫

I just got to add Bo Burnham's 1985 to my Connor playlist, because guess whose father figure was born in 1985🥸

I wonder if there would be a possibility for the people in Detroit to make these kind of jaffa cakes for androids and instead of the orange juice stuff it's thirium, I wonder what kind of material could be used for the biscuit part of it though since androids don't seem to have a more solid version of food from what I've seen, I only know about thirium🤔

I do wonder what Jericho and generally any android that has ever worshipped/followed/looked up to Markus would react like, finding out that he has had to kill fellow dying androids and rip them of their compatible parts at the scrapyard in order to walk the Earth again

Those were difficult circumstances, so I wonder: Would they blame him? Would they not be able to see him the same again? Or do they empathize and know/think that they would do exactly the same to survive? Do they maybe even know about the whole thing already? Did someone start telling the story of how Markus came back from the dead? Or do they sense it somehow? Has he talked about it to his close friends? Does he think about it? Or was it easy for him to move on because he knows it was the only way? Is that part of why he took on this role of helping all androids? To make up for it? Or does he 100% believe that it was justified?

If I may offer some of my own interpretation for why this is supposed to be degrading:

First of all, it makes it harder for the guards to sympathize/empathize with them, which leaves them with even less hope to get out and leads to them being treated harshly consequently, which is degrading. And the android looks play their part in that even if it wasn't something that they'd personally see as degradation. (Of course the guards would be doing their jobs anyway but it leaves no room for tricks, no room to even try to pretend to be a human, no room for one of the guards to show weakness and question what they're doing.)

Most obviously: they're being forced to do something. They didn't just go "ah wait actually let me remove my skin rq it was getting kinda uncomfortable anyway", the guards ordered them (mind you, the androids they caught that *were* deviants had been trying to *escape* getting ordered around and now they'd be ordered to do something (something that would lead to their doom too) again, except this time it's not even just "in their program" to blindly follow orders. This time they're being threatened and forced to do something against their will.) It wouldn't even matter if they wouldn't usually mind doing this, being forced to do something and remain in that state in order to not be killed is degrading.

Another aspect is that androids live with their skins being turned on. At least so far I have seen no instance of them turning it off just for the sake or "looking their true self" or anything like that, Markus did it in the tower for the sake of not being recognized as easily and yes, probably also to represent androids, but I've seen no other android do that voluntarily. Of course one could argue that that's because they need to fit into the human society, but even in their safe haven they remained with their skins turned on. Noone in Jericho seemed to think "Ah finally, I'm away from the humans and amongst other androids now, let me show my true form in peace", of course that can all just be because they're in the middle of a revolution, but saying that "they're like that", without acknowledging that they in fact do not spend most of their time "like that" doesn't really seem like a strong argument to me. I understand what you mean and I agree that under different circumstances their non-human designs wouldn't be degradation, but these circumstances make all the difference here.

Furthermore, it creates uniformity. All of the androids in the camps look exactly the same, except for male and female body shapes and the one kid, Alice, maybe their eye color and facial shape if we're looking into details up-close. But if we're just seeing the camps as they are, it's just a bunch of androids that can be lumped up and killed row by row. Even if they weren't as connected to their human looks, their identity still gets stripped away by making them look uniform. Yes, that is what they look like, but no, I do not mean their "humanity" when I'm referring to their "identity". I mean their individual looks that keep them from just becoming one big mass to the humans.

Additionally to that: Androids seem to have a certain connection to their skin. Think about North and the android that was the same model as her, they have been living their lifes with these skins and I honestly find it hard to imagine them not having built any kind of connection to the looks they'd gotten used to at all. And then having that be taken from them forcibly and having to see no mercy in the way the guards perceived them... That is degradation.

And last but not least: these camps are supposed to mimick concentration camps. So they did the equivalent of shaving their hair off and taking their autonomy, individuality and hope. Taking the last bit of similarity to humanity (of course not actual humanity in the case of the androids, but similarity, which is the only way these humans would've understood and not been able to ignore that they are alive too, by seeing their resemblance) any human could see in them and sending them to die. The most important part of this degradation is their death becoming inevitable and looming over them as the humans give them orders they can't fight against and the panic about the upcoming destruction rising as they're forced to do something themselves that'll move them one step closer to their death.

I've got no intention of arguing much further here though, just thought I'd share my thoughts on this too, hope you have a nice day

I just finished Detroit Become Human for the first time and I’m in desperate need to talk about it

incoming !DBH SPOILERS! TW: concentration camp

I mostly want to mention that 1. I’m glad I managed to play Markus in a consequently pacifist way, love that guy 2. I’m glad I managed to have Connor become deviant while having a stable friendship with Hank and 3. Kara wasn’t as lucky in my playthrough. She ended up in a camp with Alice, while Luther had died at Rose’s house. The camps and their obvious references to world war 2 were devastating to see them go through, as someone who has learned about these events multiple times throughout my school life and who has visited two of the camps that still stand as memorials, reminders and informative sites due to the fact that I’m German, seeing Kara and Alice be stripped of their identity and forced to look less/not human to be degraded and most likely easier to kill, seeing the lifeless bodies being loaded onto trucks, seeing the two of them stand in these lines without any clothes despite Alice already freezing during winter, Kara trying desperately to get back to Alice while having to obey the guards enough to not get killed on-sight before they’d both be forced to walk into the machine and end up dead anyway together. It was a cruel thing to watch and a tragic way to end their story. I’m very happy with my first endings though, because this may be one of the most intriguing ways this game could end for me, I’m definitely gonna replay some of it to see some alternative endings though, for example RK-900 didn’t appear at all in my game, didn’t even know that was possible and Kara, Alice and Luther deserve their happy ending in Canada being a family of three, I really hope that’ll be possible on my next attempt

I just finished Detroit Become Human for the first time and I’m in desperate need to talk about it